Sunday, May 31, 2009

Hypothetical Conversation About Being A Cracker

Hypothetical Question-Asking Person (HQAP): What’s it like to be white?

Me: Huh? What you mean?

HQAP: White. You know: honkey, cracker, pale-face, whitey-bajan-penny-ah-pung, G. I. Joe, red-man, yellow-man, clear skin, fair, pinkins… you know. White.

Me: Are you for real?

HQAP: Duh.

Me: I dunno. Haven’t thought about it in over ten years. Actually, I’m kinda over all that race shit. I’d like to think I’m just a person.

HQAP: Ok. Whatever. But what’s it like to be a white Vincentian?

Me: What’s it like to be a black Vincentian?

HQAP: Eh? It’s like… well… just normal.

Me: Yeah. Me too.

HQAP: Um. Really? You don’t feel any different?

Me: Only when people make an issue out of it. Otherwise it’s just… you know… normal. One time in class one of my students made a white joke and I was like, “HELLO! White man standing right here!” And they all laughed and one of them said: “Eh? Sah you not white!”

HQAP: But you’re blatantly white. I mean, if you were any whiter I’d need shades from the glare.

Me: I know, right? Shut up… So anyway, apparently you’re not really white-white if you’re born here and have the accent and know about our culture and so on. Some guy once called me an inside-out-roast-breadfruit.

HQAP: So what are you, then?

Me: Just… I dunno… Just fair-skin.

HQAP: So you don’t feel superior or different?

Me: Oh I always feel superior. But that’s ‘cos I’m smarter than the average bear, not because I’m white. Plus I’m prettier than the average bear. So that makes me feel good.

HQAP: The average bear?

Me: Yogi Bear reference. God you’re so young.

HQAP: But seriously.

Me: Sigh. I just feel like me. Skin colour doesn’t really enter into the equation unless you want it to, unless you force it in there.

HQAP: So you never had any problems? Never felt, in yourself, that you were different?

Me: Like I said, not unless people made me feel that way. Like if they brought it up. But it doesn’t actually affect me in any way, anymore. I just brush it off and move on with my typically Vincentian life.

HQAP: Ah. So it DID used to bother you then. At some point.

Me: When I moved to Barbados to do A’Levels I noticed that all the white people hung out with each other, the black people with each other, the Indians with each other etc etc etc. This is a broad generalization, ‘cos there were also class issues. It was a bit of a culture shock actually. We don’t really have that sort of segregation in St. Vincent. My mother claims that I called home crying about it because my friends wouldn’t lime with each other and I didn’t fit in. I have no recollection of that, but Mum swears it’s the truth. Whatever.

HQAP: So being white WAS a problem for you, then.

Me: Nope. Being white wasn’t the problem. Being Vincentian, and living and going to school in a country that was segregated along racial lines was the problem. We’re not really used to that here. Bajans will tell you that this doesn’t exist. Maybe it doesn’t anymore. But 17 years ago it did. If I went to Harbour Lights (then we called it Harbour Whites) or Sandy Bank with certain friends, then other friends wouldn’t be there. The reverse was true when I went to Reggae Lounge or After Dark. I don’t really remember hanging out with my Indian friends outside school.

HQAP: Wow. So the problem wasn’t your whiteness then?

Me: Nah. It was that I didn’t understand that my whiteness was an issue. It was a whole different story in Jamaica, though; especially at UWI. There I was like an oddity. I think I must’ve seen maybe two, three white people on that campus, students I mean, in the whole three years there. Everyone loved me. And I think only part of it was my sparkling personality and superlative good looks. They loved me because I was white and yet I was down-to-earth. Like they expected me to be all superior and haughty and shit. I had a friend who once told me that she’d made up her mind to dislike me at first because of my skin colour. Then she changed her mind once she got to know me. It actually became kind of a pain in the ass after a while. People expected me to be certain things because of my skin colour. I guess that’s how it is in Jamaica. I even had a lecturer who would refer to me as the “small island white boy”. And there was another lecturer who, whenever he spoke about slavery and Europeans, would glare at me and almost seem to be silently challenging me to apologise. Idiot. Everyone would look at me when he did it too, so I wasn’t imagining it.

HQAP: So that was difficult for you?

Me: It was. Then I dealt with it. I became outspokenly white. I was in the drama society and I’d do monologues about being a white Caribbean man. I’d write short stories and poetry for Creative Writing class with Prof. Morris that bemoaned the whole situation. It was all very arty and literature-scholary. Eventually people got it and started treating me like a real person rather than some sort of strangely exalted duppy. And I think that’s the last time I ever really thought about it until you brought it up. God I haven’t really thought about this stuff in years.

HQAP: Oh. Well sorry.

Me: No it’s ok. You just want to know. I get that. You’re around the same age I was when I was thinking about these things. Perhaps it’s something we go through. Who knows.

HQAP: So that’s it? That’s all she wrote?

Me: Yup. Nowadays I just live my life the best way I know how. Maybe other people have had different experiences. I have a few ex-pat friends (well two really) and I’m pretty sure their experience is more racially charged. But I suspect that’s as much due to their foreign-ness and cultural practices – like being on time – as their skin colour. But yeah, if you want a different perspective, ask around. This is just my experience. You should ask mixed heritage people too. My cousin has a black dad and a white mum. She once told me that she’s black in the states and white here. Go figure.

HQAP: Well thanks for talking to me.

Me: No problem. I think that this helped me realize that I’m no longer concerned with this stuff. That it’s no longer a problem for me. It’s amazing how things can just fade and you don’t even recognize it.

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A few weeks ago, one of my super-students (past student now, actually – but they’ll always be my students ☺) asked me to do a sort of request post. He wanted to know what my experience is as a white Vincentian.

The above is actually the third manifestation of this post. The first version was quite prosaic, and very academic and philosophical; it basically hung off of a framework of anecdotal experiences from myself and people I know. But it lacked something. What it lacked was any genuine concern with what I was writing. I worked on it for about two weeks before realizing that it just didn’t sound like me. I read it for my cousin, Bops, and told her how it felt like pulling teeth to write it, and she told me the most obvious thing.

She said, “Wivee (that’s my childhood nickname), it’s boring and you’re not into it because you’re over all that. You dealt with it at UWI remember? (She was at the Edna Manley College when I was at UWI – so we overlapped in JA) You got over all that shit long ago.”

She was right. I was over it. I am over it. So I decided that I’d reproduce a monologue I’d done while at UWI that had gone over really well – a monologue about what it feels like to be white and Caribbean. I edited the monologue a bit (for language mainly) and then wrote a short something to accompany it. That’s when I realized that the monologue does not describe how I feel now; it describes how I felt 13/14 years ago. So that wouldn’t work.

I was still agonizing over this post, because I wanted to be up to the challenge of doing a request. So this third draft, if you will, is what I’ve decided to post. The voices of HQAP and Me sound identical. That’s because it’s all taking place in my head. Plus I’m too lazy to try to recreate Javal’s (he’s the student who requested the post - and, theoretically, he's HQAP) voice. He’s actually much more erudite and well-spoken than I could ever hope to be. Plus he knows plenty big words. And he knows how to use them in every day conversation too.

In other, completely unrelated news, I found a few grey hairs in my beard. I thought I’d never have to face that since I went bald ten years ago. I forgot about the facial hair. Perhaps I’ll take up drinking again; anything to kill the pain of getting older and closer to the grave. Sigh.

25 wonderful people responded... will you?:

Lion-ess said...

This is real cool.. In St Vincent. we're just vincentians but we see the differences when we live elsewhere. In the UK at uni, all the indians stick to gether, all the whites and all the blacks.. I was one of those odd one outs because I don't relate to the black british culture and I did physics and not alot of black people do physics.
St Vincent is very unique for real..

Really good to read your insight and experiences of being white caribbean...

Lion-ess said...

ahhh.. the dread of getting older in body when your mind's not aging...
You picking them out?

Will said...

:-) yeah... i dunno if there are undercurrents here that i'm simply oblivious to, but i've just never noticed anything like i noticed in JA and Bdos... this isn't to say that i dislike those countries... or the people who live there... just that it's different... hmmmm...

ps - no i did NOT pick them out... i will shave before work on tuesday... then they'll magically disappear... lol...

Girl On A Journey said...

I think this is my fav. post yet.

It's not as bold in St. Vincent but it's still here. I mean, a "black" guy in a relationship with a "white" girl still turns heads for some people, even though the "white" girl is as "black" as it gets.

My grandfather was white by Vincy standards and my Granny is white and since I know myself ppl made their union an issue.

I think we still have alot of growing to do and we need to break out of the slave mentality we obviously got going on.

I have many black friends and many "white" friends and I see them all as ppl. I dont think I ahve to change my personality around one group to fit in or speak less dialect around one to fit there. They're all ppl to me.

Will said...

i hear you on the mixed relationship thing G-on-a-J... i think that still turns a few heads nowadays... although usually it's older heads... people in my generation and younger seem to be ok with it... in fact, i think most of my friends (and me too) have dated anyone and everyone... by that i mean that we're equal opportunity daters, not huge sluts... lol... so yeah...

actually, now that you mention it, perhaps it's just the people i mix with - none of my friends have ever made race an issue... perhaps that's why i don't notice it... maybe it's there and i just have no vincy experience of it...

Empath said...

Stop the Presses!! You're white?!? All this time Wiv, you never told me!?! I thought we were friends. How could you keep something like that from me all this time?!? Argh! The (in)humanity!!
The question that triggered this post and your response reminds me of something Angela Carter said, "The notion of a universality of human experience is a confidence trick and the notion of a universality of female experience is a clever confidence trick." I know that she is talking about female experiences etc, but I have a feeling that the words "black" and "white" could substitute "female" without sacrificing the main point.
I am always suspicious of questions like that. Because in a way your specific experience might be examined for some sort of symbolic significance of a more general experience, and we all know how tricky those generalizations could get. I ain't too sure if I am making sense.
I think that there is something to living in St. Vincent that affects the way we see race. For example, here people of African descent are in the majority, so we might not think of race the way a black American might. When I was at Brown U I could not wrap my head around the concept of being a minority and I know that some of my thoughts on race issues didn't sit well with some of the black American students. I wasn't prepared to let my burgeoning (Vincentian)self awareness be subsumed by somebody else's narrative of race. I could go on and on in your comments'column but I won't. I will leave the rest for when we meet in person and when I could look at you closely to make sure you're really white and it's not that you been pasting yourself with Ponds Cold Cream all these years.

Will said...

@ Empath:

i totally agree with you re: the fact that it's dangerous to use one person's experience as any sort of general, blanket statement about all human experience... i hope it made it clear in the post (and i think i did) that the experience i'm talking about here is mine, and no-one else's...

in fact, the first manifestation of this post was sort of a grab bag of different peoples' experiences... i'd spoken to several people and figured i'd try to combine their experiences into one post... but it was just too much and too varied, so i decided to scrap that and focus on the experience i know best - my own...

it seems as if sometimes people expect me to feel a certain way, or to have a certain experience... but then someone's expectations of my life do not actually have anything to do with the reality... in fact, a couple of the questions javal asked on the earlier post could almost seem to be leading me in a direction... then i realised that the direction was not actually one of either my choosing or my genuine experience... so i deviated a bit from his line of questioning and focused on what my reality was/is...

i hope this makes sense... :-S

PS - i am, indeed, caucasian... i'll show you my membership card next week... :-P

Cofo said...

But seriously... what's it like?

:P

I liked this post a lot because it's almost the opposite of my own experience, but I've ended up coming to the same conclusions.

I grew up as part of the vast majority in a tiny little sheltered town. When I got older, and visited places in which I was a minority (or at least not as huge of a majority), I didn't think anything of it. I saw people as people, and that was it.

So I guess growing up in a sheltered and non-diverse community did the same thing to me as living next to other cultures and races. While I was never exposed to them, I was also never exposed to all that segregation and prejudice jazz. So like you, I ended up not really caring about the differences.

passers-by said...

uhhh, a bit off the main point here but:

wah happen to d BROWN-SKIN ppl??
*sigh* (i feel so left out)

yeh, im quarter white, but seriously.... its kinda annoying when you grow up being all proud of your "indigenous heritage", then when you get to high school, someone decides you're black, then you're chinese.... then you're coolie... then its white... but its never....what you really are.

Sorry. Just ranting like a random fool.
But sometimes you [I] get twisted in the head man.
So, for international purposes.... I'm Asian.
Dammit.

mattstorm said...

Race issues in the Caribbean...do I even want to go there..? Do you define yourself as 'white' genetically (no real concept of 'pure white' or 'pure black' in the Caribbean anyway) or as having 'white characteristics' ( blonde hair, fair skin). Funny thing is I never considered you 'white' when I knew you at Community college in Barbados- I assumed you were typically multi-racial.

You are right about Barbados though- and I would be surprised if it were not the same in all Caribbean countries to some degree- although Barbados has the race, colour and class issue all mixed up together.

When I was at school I would not say that the 'whites' stuck together and the 'blacks' stuck together I would say that the 'whites' practiced a form of subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) exclusion and had no interest in getting to know anyone outside of their often (literally and figuratively) incestuous circle...
oh well...race...check out my latest blog entry for a little race issue that I ran into in Switzerland over the weekend...

..for me you are always lovely, smart, funny, (irie blue t-shirt and acid washed jeans) william..even if you turn Smurf blue one morning (smurfette blue or something.....)

Abeni said...

Very interesting and I like how you have transcended race. Many of us go through life without being able to.

I find that SVG is not as hung up on race as some other islands. I guess or I want to believe it has to do with the short period of slavery we underwent.That is not to say there aren't issues of class but by and large I think we are pretty inclusive.

Mrs J said...

While I think that race in St Vincent is "different" to other places I don't think it's as "ebony and ivory" as some would like to make out.

There is a great deal of surprise when I tell students that in 2005 census in the UK 50% of British Born Afro Caribbean men have white partners. Most assume that a white person would be with a white person and that inter-racial marriage is unusual. Marriage really is the test more than having children of a progressive attitude to my mind.

As for being white my dear Will you are a delightful white however it is easy for us whiteys to forget that we are privileged and advantaged by whiteness even though we personally have not been a part of the ideology that created it. Still what yuh go do?

Empath said...

Hey Will is me again,
I was thinking some more about the race issue in Vincy and it occurred to me that our colour politics are of the red and yellow variety. So that even if you are white, once you are supporting the opposition you get pressured. Just a thought. I could be wrong. Still trying to figure out the colour dynamic in Vincy.

Jdid said...

you're spot on about barbados though. one of my best friend in high school was white. we'd chat on the phone for hours about cricket and basketball and school ect , he'd pick me up for exams but we never really hung out on weekends and holidays. it was like this sorta force field divided us with that whole harbour whites/sandy bank thing on his part and me being more a dub fete typa kid.

oh well glad st vincent aint like that

Junior said...

i like this post...i totally agree with ur conclusion too, only thing is that its sorta the reverse situation for me...obviously black on the outside but stereotypically white on the inside. i remember wen i was younger i would bluntly say 'i'm not vincentian i was only born here' or 'i don't like black ppl, i'm brown' lol looking back now its all silly, unfortunately some think that intellect,preference for rock music and speaking standard english makes u white *shrugs* pshk watever, i'm out...agen nice post (Y)

Will said...

@ cofo: word... :-)

@ passers-by: but its never....what you really are precisely - people didn't see YOU, they saw your skin - and they gave u a n ethnicity... what gives people the right?

@ matt: yeah i read your post re: the advert in the restaurant... well done... when i saw the pic i was like wtf??? ps - i'm choosing to ignore the smurfette crack...

@ abeni: i'm almost convinced that our relatively short experience of the enslavement period has something to do with our current attitudes and behaviours... i think many historians would agree with you there...

@ Mrs J: i haven't forgotten that... i am well aware of the privileges i have in my life... but i don't see them as a by-product of my racial heritage... my father worked his way up from nothing... that's no exaggeration... he relied on his parents for nothing financially... he is truly a self-made man... and this has nothing to do with his skin colour, but all to do with his dedication and commitment to making a good life for his family... however, i do agree that when people look at me they may not see that, so they see, instead, the stereotype...

@ empath: i totally agree with you there... tee-shirt colours matter more here than skin colour... *nods*...

@ jdid: see that's just the sort of thing that baffled me at the time...

@ junior: but then who decides that your penchant for rock music and standard english is a "white" thing??? why pigeon hole people on such superficialities? it's like i always try to tell you guys in class - people are different, humanity is varied... if we want to get along in this life we need to accept difference and move on...

Jacqueline Smith said...

Your perception of the race situation here in Jamaica is probably true. To a large extent the various races here live in compartments. The Chiney man (except for the likes of Byron Lee, Father Ho-Long, DR. Chang, did you meet him at UW?)lives in his apartment upstairs his store, you rarely see his children till they are old enough to help run the family business. Well that's not strictly speaking true, because they go to school, and these are not special schools for Chinese. But as you say, after school is a different matter. A white person is an oddity for me too. I rarely see one, except I'm at the beach in a tourist town. But there are plenty of "brown" people everywhere... My mom says my grandfather was white and that he remained faithful to coal black Miss Edith who bore him 10 children. Well Indians may be an exception to the compartment idea; they are everywhere and they are seen as market vendors, taxi drivers, doctors whatever, you know they are Indian but you don't give it a second thought. So we've got to work on believing our motto - out of many one people.

Will said...

@ jackie mandora: i'm thinking of an excerpt from THE DEAD YARD that i read... something about it was definitely hinting (not really hinting, but saying blatantly) at the very compartmentalisation that you're speaking of... i'm wondering if it's a big island thing - like the larger the island the easier is must have been (historically) for people to stick with their own "groups"... b'dos belies this though, or may be an exception... hmmm...

yah victor chang was (is still - sort of) one of my mentors... i even know who lee and ho long are! my parents are lee fans and i used to teach in a convent... :-)

Ruthibelle said...

great post will... one of my favourites from the bunch.

So, really, what was it like??? lmao :p

Boy, me n u hav different experiences. I grew up hearing ppl question the authenticity of my blackness cause I read alot, and didnt gallivant outside all the time like a little hyperactive kitten like the other *normal black* kids... *chupse... idiots!* Anyway... rant.

Between JA, Bim and St. Vincent, u hav a pretty good view of race issues in the Cbn. Interesting.

Vincy Chick said...

Tell me you're joking! You white??? If anybody had asked me to guess what race you are, I'd have gone with 'human'...(That's not original) but it's true. And to find out that you're actually w...wh...whi...whit...WHITE!Don't ever play mind games like that with me or I absolutely will not accept your next proposal :)

Mrs J said...

Dear William

My comment takes nothing away from your father's hard work or lack of financial advantage when starting out. However it is not possible for you, your father or any other white person to stand outside the privileges accorded to them by race. They are linked to economic success as well as other life chances.

It's like this. As a paid up member of the middle classes, my educational status is a direct result of my class however it does not mean that I got it without studying or that I was awarded my degree solely for being a doctor's daughter.

It's another t-shirt idea though - "My Dad worked hard all his life and he deserves every penny of it"

Antillean said...

Interesting. Do you think that your experiences are representative of the white Vincentian population? Do you know of, say, family members whose experiences were similar to yours?

My Chutney Garden said...

Great post. I come from Trinidad where it's both more and less complicated. We are much bigger and seem to mix easier but there are still issues that make us different. With so many East Indians and a not insignificant amount of Arabs/Lebanese/Syrians we have marital tradions that are very different to the rest of the Caribbean. We also have a somewhat different history. But the white scene is the same all over the region. I do feel as if I have had to jump through some odd hoops just to assauge the fact that I am white. Years ago at university in Canada, I lived with four white Trini girls. We were taking part in a cultural event that featured Trinidad and Tobago so we said - great, we'll do the stewed chicken or the pelau. The committee heads said, nah, thanks but no thanks. You all not really Trini. You white. Short of growing locks (impossible because I have really thin paipsy hair) and smoking ten pounds of tampee, I was not sure how to embrace my Trinidadian-ness.
And I make the best stewed chicken. Steups.
Just this weekend I emailed a columnist who described a "Trini white girl" at his American uni as being "tanned" by American standards" but (in parenthesis)"bloodless by ours". Hello? Thankfully we are homogenising. We all eating the same food, talking the same way, and being raised in the same culture.
Thanks for bringing this really difficult topic to the table.
I found you through Annie in Jamaica. Great Blog!

Will said...

kamal: nah i wouldn't say that my experience is representative... rather, i think it would be dangerous to do so... there are some people who i guess mustve had similar experiences, but i think everyone's experience is different...

@ chutney: welcome! :-)

yeah i think there is a certain degree of homogenization happening... but i dunno if this is true for all countries or just some... hmmm...

Guyana-Gyal said...

This stick-together-according-to -race-and-social-background business didn't happen in this home. Didn't happened with the 60's-70's generation.

I wonder if my gal pals who look white ever thought about this...I must ask.

I'd love to know what's going on with the teens today.

I think things are changing here, what with people becoming more 'money' conscious.

P.S. It's not GREY hair...haven't you noticed? It's WHITE.

P.P.S. Ever thought of writing a letter to that lecturer to ask him why he glared?